Boy was I wrong. Furetech was by far my favorite of the two. It presented as more real to me. I can't even define, sorry.
I may go get a one of these days. I have the and I can confirm it buzzes a little with tubes. Its tolerable and it moves some mechanical hum from DC on my electrical to the but I can still here it without music and at the wrong time of the day. Corey this is interesting. I plug it into the and things are dead quiet.
I am referring to mechanical hum of the transformers, which you would not hear in the speakers. Like I said its faint and with any music you cant hear it or if the room is not dead quiet.
Its the isolation transformer doing its job. Corey, I'd personally reach out to the AQ folks. I am sure Garth would like to know this to see if he can fix it or he may know about it already.
Never know??? Its not a defect its physics. DC on your electrical will cause a transformer to hum. I have spoke with Garth in person about this. Its better in the then in the amp. Intersting situation for sure. You're the first one I've heard that from.
Knocking on wood, but I've only once had even a ground fault problem. I fixed that eventually. If I did, I promise I'd hear it and would be annoyed by it, lol. Will you put it on an HRS footers or something like that? I've seen power devices that are on spikes etc. I have been experimenting between a complaint footer and a vibration draining one. I do have an HRS top plate on it as well.
Until I got the Niagara every tube amp I tried would have a humming power supply transformer. Keep in mind its not loud on the Niagara and some people cant hear it unless they get real close. I"ve never used a platform other than for my old Turntable set up. Richard explains it best, but in layman's terms may of us are still using training wheels , by taking that deep powerful bass and moving it to a different cabinet, the main speaker doesn't need to work as hard and the amps don't have to work nearly as hard.
You can heard the music from hz up sounding so much better and I assume it's because there is just less bass needed to be produced and that the cabinets don't move nearly as much and the drivers seem to have a bit less distortion. Not sure I have it right and it doesn't even matter other than to enjoy a discussion on it as the music is what counts.
It's a huge upgrade putting the subs in. Jim, so happy you have the 9's coming in. Once Johnny sets your system up and then comes back to dial it in with you, it will be amazing. You won't want for more, unless you really are an audiophile and then you will upgrade to the XTRM with your Sub 9 and at that point, why wouldn't you just get the M7 HPA's with the new preamp, lmao I'm not fully knowledgeable about using this Forum--I just want to respond to your post, but I hit reply and for some reason it filled in the space with an earlier post of mine in this discussion, which I deleted to enable me to enter this post.
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to use the Quote box to reply. Anyway I hope you see this. If the new design is so good at improving bass, why not incorporate it into the big sub, which I presume would then be a much smaller sub for people who don't want to go the XTRM route in the Sevens.
Would be nice if Richard did that to my 9s before shipping Not that I care, at the moment at least--I DO plan on this being my last stop on the audiophile train hearing guffaws in the background. As for very large speakers, one of the things I like about the Sevens is their size.
They don't take over the room, and for someone like me for whom the beauty of the listening room matters there's more than sound quality to the listening experience! And their appearance--I think they're beautiful. To me some of the very large speakers look like huge animals sitting in the corner of the room waiting to pounce as you walk by. I appreciated your explanation of the effects of the Sub 9 on the system, and of course was elated by your description of what I can expect.
Of course it was you, plain and simple, who stimulated me to buy them. Would be worth the 3. Richard and i had a nice Friday catch-up conversation yesterday, so i will put my inputs in on what i heard and spin from my own listening experience w 7 and 7 what i call the pairing of amp and speaker….
Yes the form factor and beauty of the speaker - low diffraction, low resonance are crucial. So yes, i love the svelte 7, Kento, Quattro ad Treo.. On to the 9 deployed with 7 of any flavor.
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Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2. Recommended Posts. Why not go straight to putting the XTRM technologies into the sub 9s? Or maybe, practically speaking, the XTRM upgrade will reduce the need and appeal of the 9s. This obviously is idle speculation on the one hand, but reasonable questions on the other. Perhaps Richard has already answered them by his assertion that the sub 9s and the XTRM together make for SQ that exceeds what either alone can do.
But for financial efficacy for the buyer, was it not a more appealing idea to approach this level of SQ with a single product? For someone like me to buy the subs, then learn about another seemingly related upgrade that conceivably duplicates at least to some extent what my money's buying with the subs, is a little disappointing. It looks like competing products. For me, adding the sub 9s on top of my wpc Aesthetix Atlas monoblocks will have me swimming in power the high end of recommended power range for the Sevens is wpc.
It sort of seems that my main amps, with the aid of two other amps carrying the heavy bass frequencies, then will carry only the mid and high frequencies, meaning they should be doing the gay tarantella.
And as an aside, I must comment that I didn't hear a big or even significant SQ improvement in adding the Bedrocks under my Sevens. Sometimes I think we audiophiles maybe just me need to rein in our expectations of upgrades which can be unrealistic.
That being said, my expectations of adding the sub 9s to my system are definitely not reined in Hi Jim, I am surprised you did not hear a significant improvement with the addition of the Bedrock. Everyone has reported better imaging and transparency.
I do believe there are some issues with expectations because if you hypothetically could unwind them one at a time the end result would be the sound of a transistor radio of old! Once we get our systems to this level significant improvements are very hard to come by and they take time. These are not competing products but like anything in our hobby some of the improvements do compliment each other. It is not about power as even a watt amplifier that you can weld with will sound better if its load is lightened.
The way in which they weave together tonal and textural clues with temporal and spatial cues, their ability to respond to sudden dynamic shifts or changes in musical density -- small to big or big to small -- their ability to capture a rhythmic pause or hesitation and the accent that it imparts, all combine to create a sense of human presence and intimacy that is at once beguilingly natural and in no way forced or obvious.
It allows you to relax and enjoy the music -- and it encourages you to listen fatigue free for hours on end. There are definitely speakers that move more air and do it in a far more awe-inspiringly impressive fashion -- there really is no substitute for sheer size if you can accommodate and pay for it.
Likewise, their very coherence means that they thrive on a coherent and, above all, stable approach to system setup and cabling. As such, they fit into a new school of capable, relatively affordable, but genuinely high-end products alongside the latest and in many ways conceptually similar designs from Wilson Benesch that make a virtue out of being less than obvious.
The Model Seven Mk IIs might not have the smack-you-in-the-face qualities that typify so many flagship products, or the price tag that gets pinned to them, but this is a flagship product in every sense of the word, not least its musical performance. If you want hyped dynamics or hyper resolution, super transparency or mega scale, there are plenty of products that will deliver one or more of those qualities -- and charge you handsomely for the pleasure -- but there are very few speakers that can sound as seductively natural and musically lucid as the Model Seven Mk IIs, and even fewer that achieve that performance so consistently in so many different systems and situations.
Just as that reveals short cuts or bad practice in the system upstream, so it allows you to lean the final character of the system in one way or another, depending on taste. The Karan amps brought dynamic heft and weight to proceedings, the AudioQuest cables also adding a weight and slightly rounded warmth to the system. Together they delivered a more obvious sense of scale and power at the expense of some agility, focus and transparency. The Simaudio Moon electronics paired with the Nordost cables offered astonishing stability, an inky-black background and real intimacy.
Yet none of these combinations robbed the speakers of their natural sense of perspective or proportion, and while they each offered their own view of events, the events themselves still defined the character and sense of the performance. What this underlines yet again is just how astonishingly tractable and versatile the Model Seven Mk IIs are.
Listening to all those different CD players, I was asked to describe and demonstrate the difference between two of them. Body language? On a stereo system? This uncanny ability to capture and project the spatial and physical presence behind the sound is what I described earlier as palpability. What makes it genuinely special is that it is also a small speaker writ large. These speakers will play small and they will play quiet, but just when you least expect it they show you just how willing they are to do the other end of things too.
When it comes to re-creating the sense of that original musical event, the one captured by the recording, the Model Seven Mk IIs are nothing short of an expressive tour de force. A genuine flagship performer, regardless of size and price, the Vandersteen Model Seven Mk II takes holistic design to another level.
This is a case of performance following form following function. There are bigger speakers and there are louder speakers; there are more attractive and certainly more physically imposing speakers; there are a lot of speakers that cost a lot more than the Model Seven Mk IIs -- all of which makes the Vandersteen an easy speaker to underestimate.
Do so at your peril. These are used with Nordost SortKone equipment couplers throughout. Accessories: Essential accessories include the SmarTractor protractor, a USB microscope and Aesthetix cartridge demagnetizer, a precision spirit level and laser, a really long tape measure and plenty of masking tape. I also make extensive use of the Furutech anti-static and demagnetizing devices and the VPI Typhoon record-cleaning machine. The Dr Feikert PlatterSpeed app has to be the best ever case of digital aiding analog.
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