Thread starter ddog Start date May 25, Prev 1 2. First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Messages My ears are my scientific proof Messages 7, That's why I would assume it would be in at least one high-end cable manufacturer's interest to do a real listening test.
I'd be interested to see if listeners could even reliably differentiate between cables. I'm all for better sound, it just seems as if the difference is so vast, it should be really easy to show it. Last edited: Jul 14, Messages 39, I'd just like to see any real study, with test instruments or a scientific double blind, that backs up any assertion about cables.
Fitzer Silver Supporting Member. Messages 2, But - a group of guys got together on the internet with a theory - let it gain some steam over time, and now it's become like a tribal thing to espouse the "cables don't make a difference" manifesto. The cable-theory echo chamber never ends. No telling. Still there's much about the review that annoys. It seems strange that one reviewer Guttenberg would tell another about to review a pair of speakers " exclaiming..
Those aren't audiophile speakers. Those are party speakers! I'm an audiophile of sorts and I like music at parties, so??? And two, how about one reviewer caring enough about his craft and enough about the reader to NOT taint a fellow reviewer with expectation bias by making such a strong and prejudicing statement? Wouldn't it be nice if reviewers were forced to share their initial judgements of speakers before knowing what they look like, their size, who makes them, what kind of drivers they employ or what has been said of them by other reviewers??
Perhaps hear them from behind a visually opaque but sonically transparent screen before being allowed to take them home for an extended listen? Do you think this would affect what we read? I sure believe so.. Hey, an audiophile can dream, can't he??
What you are suggesting is good science. Some people are allergic to it today. They seem to want confirmation bias. There is also the obvious conflict of interest when reviewing speakers or other components that are advertised in one's magazine. Extraneous, validity threatening variables can be controlled in just the ways you suggest, even when the judgements being made are very subjective and very much a matter of taste.
Results of purely "subjective" methods, as the magazines define "subjective" without most or all means of control can always be added to reviews, at the end, along with a discussion of any differences in the two sets of conclusions.
Some of the sentiment against A-B testing comes from concern about how we perceive when in "judgement mode" v. And nowadays there are at least two book-length collections from APA of means of analysis for multivariate, true experiments that could be set up to look at either group-wise or individual preferences, and detailed reactions to speakers, etc.
What you suggest would not be very hard to do. I just don't think they want to do it. Maybe somebody is doing that several manufacturers probably are but if the magazines are, it's news to me. SiliconTi 11 posts. Westcoastdrums 10 posts.
June 2, When a power cord costs more than your used khorns, true audiophile. June 4, I don't do anything to try impress any idea on any person I live this lifestyle for myself. June 20, Listening to my Heresy IIIs seriously for the the first time tonight. I think the Heresy III fit my small listening s.
Anyone have a link to a discussion on the heresy iii here from other forum members points of view? I don't care what the number is on paper I am flat out impressed without a sub. Those guys have broken "on through to the other side".
Hearing things no one else hears and they can't measure and then creating a narrative to justify why it can't be measured. I have admit to being undecided on that issue. I take it you are in the camp "if it can't be measured it isn't real?
My being wishy-washy is because I've never understood how someone can look at a chart and decide if a thing sounds good or not. I think some of you charts-and-graphs guys might be able to do that, but I sure can't.
My common sense says you can hear things that can't be measured but duh I don't have any data to back that up! I will always trust my lying ears over measurments. I use them measurments , as a rough guide for basic parameters of the overall speaker. Come here to have fun, be ready to be teased and not take online life too seriously. We now measure and review equipment for free!
I am MCH too. Kal Rubinson said:. I cannot think of a suggestion. Partly, it is because I found no fault in the Benchmark itself but only with the kludgy control arrangement that was needed to operate three of them in a coordinated fashion. It is also due to my limited grasp of the stereo preamp market. If they had a volume readout, I'd be interested in trying out a trio of Schiit Freya S preamps. Forum Donor.
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