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Cool, we're already rationalizing an indeterminate outcome and slamming the magazine and reviewer for coming here requesting another sample to test? He is offering an opportunity for the forum to provide a known good example to be included. So, kick his ass, right? I have measured vintage AR tweeters recently, and posted the results online.
The results may easily be compared to those published by Allison by the AES in and , and the tweeters have NOT deteriorated so significantly as you posit. Also, if there are any measurements available from the testing labs you mention, nobody here has ever found them, apparently.
If all we have to offer up in testament to how good AR3as are is the contrived live vs. Yeah, I've "done" Advents and Dynacos, too Somewhere in my basement among literally many thousands of papers, books, magazines, are at least some of the old articles reviewing some of these products.
If I ever come across them, I'll scan them and send them to this site. Reviews aren't the only thing missing, there's an AR turntable floating around somewhere in my basement or garage that's been missing for around 9 years. I think Stereophile Magazine has the resources to find copies of those reports if it really wants to. Somewhere someone has copies.
I throw this challenge up to Stereophile Magazine. Rather than waste your time and ours with more self serving "oh what a piece of junk, how could anyone have ever liked these" articles or "what today's audiophiles find lacking in yesteryear's favorites" how about duplicating the live versus recorded demos AR conducted and see if you can get similar results to theirs.
The conditions; use a restored Dynaco PAS3x and a Dynaco Stereo 70 the way AR did, you can use only the tone controls on the preamp and the controls on the AR3a speaker to adjust the tone of the system the way AR did, and no cheating equalizing the source tape with a parametric or graphic equalizer.
Tom or Steve can probably fill in details of what microphones and tape equipment was used. If Stereophile can't get comparable results, then either the speakers are deteriorated beyond salvaging for any meaningful comparison or they don't have the smarts they think they do.
Then let's see if they can do it with someone else's speakers under comparable conditions. A Steinway grand piano would be a good alternate to a string quartet and you only have to pay one musician. Of course dragging a Steinway piano to an anechoic environment for the recording is no simple thing if you are not an experienced piano mover.
I think if this happens the cause is more likely to be changes in typical listener preferences over the past 40 years or so. We already know these speakers used to be quite populer because they sold a lot of them and are no longer because they're no longer being made.
As Zilch mentioned, his measurements of raw AR drivers, along with others taken at various times by Carl and other CSP'ers, indicate that even if failure of old 3a tweeters is not uncommon, finding good-working examples still out in the world is also not uncommon.
The semi-widespread perception that HF rolloff must the result of "deteriorating tweeters" is probably as much a result of listeners' preconception that "good" sound must be reflected by a flatline on a k frequency response graph and their difficulty in accepting that what is "good" to them may not necessarily be "good" to everyone else and that people who prefer something different are not "wrong," but just different.
As I said previously, it depends on the context of the article. If the idea is "Interested in vintage speakers? Here's what you're likely to find on the used market and how well-kept but unrestored examples score in contemporary listening panels," then using unrestored examples and making cursory comparisons to restored ones makes sense, if only to help cut down on the number of newbies who make impulse purchases and then post here looking for tips to mod their 3a's to sound like Altecs.
Any other context, I'm not so sure about, because all the alternatives I can think of seem like trying to decide if Muhammed Ali was really a great boxer by putting him back into the ring against this year's WBC champion. I can't believe you said that. You are full of AR's goal was to produce audio equipment that sounded like real music. What other justification could there have been then that they at least could sound like real music?
Today there are speakers that sell for more than a new automobile that has over 20, parts in it. More than a new house. What other justification could there be for such a thing? Their game is the same as wine critics were before sheriff Robert Parker and his competitor Marvin Shankin came along. They are "in the know" and anyone who doesn't agree with them is just wrong.
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